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| 2024-08-08 | 0 |
It seems Canadians like dollars from internation stydents and taxes from workers income , however , hate taking immigrants any benefits, if they may take.
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| 2024-08-08 | 0 |
Close your private colleges and universities. After Covid out of greed universities and colleges massively admitted people. Stop commercializing and benefitting from huge international fees and then cry loud for immigration. Tons of world refugees. Stop encouraging Ukraine to fight war they cannot win.
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| 2024-08-08 | 0 |
Thanks Harris. Remember she wants to give all of them full benefits . They'll be spending your kids money.
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| 2024-08-08 | 0 |
Why dont they go to a muslim country if they want sharia law, there are plenty of muslim countries that they could go to, but of course they do not have a decent benefit system. If Islam is such a great idea, which I have no argument with in principle, surely these people would be more comfortable on one of those countries rather than being in this country which they seem not to like ??
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
Canada offers free health care child tax benefit free schooling..ongoing funds to fund housing etc .lots of new people to canada
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
As of the start of 2023, $150.7 billion was the cost for 22+ million illegal immigrants - at the federal, state, and local levels, [$66.4 billion in federal expenditures], \naccording to FAIR (Federation American Immigration Reform). \nThe cost attributable to illegal aliens is staggering. \nDems award migrants \nYour jobs, \nfood, housing, $monthly stiped, healthcare, homeownership, college, DL & vehicles, & benefits+. \nFixing the problem for the Dems is hiring more ICE agents to process more migrants across the border. \nThey could immediately close the Border by executive order today.
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
I got laid off 5 weeks ago ( no renewal of contract).. after 7 years working for that NFP.. I applied for snap and unemployment… while applying for jobs( social worker field)… first, they ask for so many documents… including my bank account….( again I was laid off .. not fired nor left my job, nor finding reasons not to work all those years ), department of labor had a mandated zoom meeting to discuss what I needed to do 4 weeks after I was laid off( like i don’t know)… I ve been working for years and paying taxes… a lot of them in NYC, I was also told that I have to show what I am doing to search for work and eventually should take a job( even if the salary is low..ridiculous)… I was also informed that I may get a call from investigator from DOL..they may call individuals receiving unemployment benefits($441 a week after taxes?)… to verified that I was searching and applying for jobs( even though I enter my activities related to work weekly on their website…..)….. meanwhile… people with 0 legal documentation are entering the US and living here, free snap, free housing, free health insurance!!!! Lala land!!!! Can’t wait for this non sense to stop!!! Every corner of NY , you see families begging for money. Food…I feel bad as a human being, but refuse to help or I ll be joining them too… welfare system needs to change too! The politics NEED to change!!!All the best !
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
Housing crisis everywhere, but governments rely on private development, who benefit from the lack of supply. Do the math
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
NYC Property taxes have gone up. NYC has a history of good welfare benefits
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
Only greedy landlords and their political friends have benefited from this disastrous Government immigration debacle. Canadians can only hope now, that the Mexican Cartels and their Chinese partners, will filter some of their profits to the fast food restaurants and Tim Hortons \nso at least they will survive the crisis of business failures, as most Canadians will not have expendable income, with out a criminal side hustle, to support any other Canadian owned business’s.
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
Maybe Canada should care about its own citizens who’ve had to move abroad for a better life like me…it’s great when you have 2 degrees, 26 years of working experience and don’t qualify for any benefits and not even Walmart will give you a job because they think you must joking!
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
As a Canadian, we want to leave! This isn’t the same country our parents and grandparents grew up in. Bringing in 1 million ppl who haven’t contributed to our socialist system yet giving them full benefits is destroying us! If just my husband didn’t get taxed we could afford for me to stay home but instead my mat leave has ended and we can’t find child care! We are in serious talks about selling the house and moving to Thailand or some other country where our dollar is actually worth something. \nTaking suggestions on English speaking countries to move to!\n\nAnd what other country could u move to and tell them to change? Cuz that’s what happening here. Ppl aren’t assimilating to our Canadian way. We are expected to accept (bend over and take it) and include in the name of “inclusion”. Makes me sick my white straight son will have LESS opportunity than a gay ethnic person… talk about discrimination!!! The ONLY discrimination is against white straight men!! It’s insanity!
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
As a Canadian, we want to leave! This isn’t the same country our parents and grandparents grew up in. Bringing in 1 million ppl who haven’t contributed to our socialist system yet giving them full benefits is destroying us! If just my husband didn’t get taxed we could afford for me to stay home but instead my mat leave has ended and we can’t find child care! We are in serious talks about selling the house and moving to Thailand or some other country where our dollar is actually worth something. \nTaking suggestions on English speaking countries to move to!
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
Bro it’s so many of them in Dallas right now it’s not even funny getting all kind of benefits we can’t get
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| 2024-08-07 | 0 |
Capitalism failed us. Unfettered capitalism, all that unmitigated economic growth benefits a few … and has led to abrupt climate change , loss of habitat , and mass extinction.\n\nAmor Fati…\nMemento Mori~
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
For people who complain about Canada and wanna move back think twice, thrice and n more number of times.\nLife is expensive here and it's cheap nowhere. Taxes are high but the benefits are worth it. In my country, I gave up 30% of my salary purely for my children's school and bus fare, which is torally free of cost here.\n\nI was well versed with my local language and had a specialist dentist degree but still no job, whereas here even a mere DDS (undergraduate dentist) with poor English mints money.\n\nWhen i was jobless this country bore with me 70% of my family's total expenditure thru benefits and schooled plus comfortably yet freely transported my child which none of our home countries ever did (even Govt schools in my country charge a minimal fee and pupils' standard is deplorable).\nSo, yes, Canada is not a bed of roses to start with, but we never came from a bed of roses ?\n\nAnd one final note to people praising the US - ATLEAST I CAN VISIT A SHOPPING MALL IN CANADA AT PEACE THAT I WONT BE SHOT AT ?
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| 2024-08-06 | 1 |
Canada is so broken now. I came here in 2010, it was amazing back then. Now, every single day I regret not moving out of Canada earlier and not changing my career on time. There is no living standard now and its about surviving now. Everything I am earning is just going towards bills and tickets. The cops are everywhere giving fines for smallest of mistakes to make sure refugees and asylum seekers get paid almost $2000 every month. Also, if you are making above $90K household wise, you are done, you cannot get so many benefits from the government. Basically, now working in Canada means paying for lifestyle of lazy people.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
This will end in tears. Those benefits are drying up. This is a security risk too. Our enemies know this as well.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Fkin rights anti-immigrant sentiment is growing this was bound to happen when the gov has an agenda thats not benefiting to the peoples of the country or wanted. Seems like its all by design in all western countries
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
It’s deeper than this lazy journalism. Billionaires benefit off the poor so why not bring more into a western country. You’ll have a lot more people to exploit and get rid of unions and basic human rights because of “religious” values. Don’t worry about housing worry about the rich
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Politicians are the problem. They block the population from accessing the benefits of taxing the rich and have a fair society
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| 2024-08-06 | 27 |
Something I don't think is talked about enough is that a majority of MPs have a large portion of their net worth tied up in real estate so they have a financial incentive to keep cost of living high. Also 54% of conservative MPs, 36% of Liberal MPs, and 16% of NDP MPs are landlords! How can we trust these politicians to tackle the cost of living crisis when they themselves benefit from it?!
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
The couple arrives with their 6 childrens. The wife does not work because in their country that's not how it works. The man work a little bit and they receive huge benefits like CCB, CCR, GST and other... So for one uber driver it cost several thousands to US!!! They don't come here asking how they can contribute, they come here to take our money. They live together in the same neiborhood with no intention of learning french or english. It's a cash grab operation and we are getting f*cked.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
It is not anti-immigration, it’s anti immigration system cheaters. In some visible minority communities, from CBSA, MPs, immigration consultants,financial institutions (in Canada and abroad), private colleges and private businesses have formed a illegal human trafficking network to smuggle migrants into Canada right under Federal Government eyes. Canada as a whole and Canadian citizens have not been benefited from it. Only people and businesses who are in this network have been profiteering from it. Someone takes bribes, political donations, foreign students related businesses preying on people who want to immigrate to Canada.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
People coming to live off govmt benefits
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| 2024-08-06 | 3 |
Follow the money, who is benefiting from unsustainable immigration policies, housing shortages? Who is advocating for more of it?? I see people commenting about lack of Planning by government, hate to burst your bubbles.. it's going as planned.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
No Indian comes into Canada without a visa from Canadian givernment. Canadian universities and students benefit massively from increased revenue and lower fees thanks to Indians. The sad part is they turn around and be racist and learn to be more racist from an Australian.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
A Venezuelan woman dropped her receipt at Walmart. It showed a balance of over $4,400 cash/ $1,300 in food stamps on there. These are government benefits. The receipt ? was circulating around on Facebook. I was shocked bc I’m not working. I have a disabled son and can’t get any food stamps.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
As an immigrant myself, moved to BC over 25 years ago and I am always grateful for the opportunity I had in Canada, through hard-work and dedication, got proper education and experience right now. However, this immigration open door policy doesn’t benefit anyone. Canadian government should put a stop to it until they can actually put their own citizens first!
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
The government wanted all the political benefit of enabling an influx of immigrants but didn’t want the accompanying responsibility of ensuring the county could support it
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| 2024-08-06 | 1 |
Banks benefit by having more deposits from newcomers. Corporations benefit cause people from over seas will Work for less. Government benefits cause every newcomer needs to pay 1000s of dollars for different fees like drivers licence and health cards you name it. Schools benefit by the fact they can take an entire Indian families life savings in a single tuition payment. \n\nto claim that this insane immigration we have here is to the benefit of the average Canadian is psychotic and cynical.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Well, obviously the masses need a scapegoat — there's too many refugees fleeing crises Western governments exacerbate abroad (to the benefit of mostly only a few corporations' profit), and we can't have people pointing the finger at the ones really doing the exploiting!\n\nYou know, the same exploiters that fund lobbying groups & think tanks here that point the direction our government's policy goes, regardless of the wants of anyone else. And they, too, benefit from the rise in anti-immigration sentiment in Canada.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Not only is it bad for canada, the unsuspecting immigrants will end up finding their quality of life is even worse than where they come from because of the insane cost of living, broken infrastructures, widespread racisim...it benefits nobody
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
The american evil government's Communist Manifesta's Party and DemocRats as looters they all benefit from illegal immigrants so therefore they operate it Secretely Silently under the table like in 9/11 self attack against themselves as a trick against humanity's suspicious.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Canada has been exploited by a corrupt, unethical, unaccountable socialist government that has used reckless immigration to destroy the heritage, social harmony and sovereignty. \n This is intentional incompetence with malice intent and, a globalist WEF agenda that doesn't benefit western civilization.
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| 2024-08-06 | 2 |
The issue is that Canada lately is bringing in people who are coming to collect welfare benefits they come with 10 kids looking for subsidized services and hence not contributing to the economy
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Find the video about the receipt left by a Venezuelan illegal in a bodega in NYC. They get over $15,000, lets say 18,000 per MONTH for food & $5,000 in cash. A conservative estimate- $23,000+ per month in govt benefits. x 12 is $276,000 ANNUALLY. They've been incentivized to invade so they can vote & many of them already have. \n\nWe've been sold out to the lowest bidder by our own leaders. We are hemorrhaging money because our government is giving it away. Stock up on necessities, medication, 1st aid & canned, dried and freeze-dried goods, get your guns & ammo & GET READY. This is serious & it's going to get ugly. The attempted assassination of Donald Trump on July 13th was a wake up call. I never liked the man. I voted for Dementia Magoo the child-groper against my better judgment. So disgusted! This year I'll VOTE FOR TRUMP.
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| 2024-08-06 | 0 |
Amnesty with benefits if this trollup gets in. Please vote Trump yall. This is ABSURD
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| 2024-08-05 | 0 |
I am all for immigration if it is adding a benefit. Right now the government is using immigration to juice up gdp numbers, the trade off is weaker gdp per capita, lower living standards and higher unemployment = more gov spending and less productivity. Need to focus more on quality and it would be nice to see more diversity in the targets.
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| 2024-08-05 | 0 |
If we can accept the reality than no matter how many measures you introduced you cant stop people from coming here we can focused on preparing when they do. Influx of immigrants means more workers, consumers. Many of these people who can be potential tax payers with none of the benefits like social security. Its a dream for an economy who can see potential guranteed economic growth.
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| 2024-08-05 | 0 |
The increasing presence of Indian businesses in Canada presents a remarkable opportunity for economic growth and collaboration. also will help create more job for candian The growing prominence of Indian enterprises in Canada signifies an extraordinary opportunity for economic advancement and collaborative ventures. This influx is poised to generate a multitude of job opportunities for Canadians, further enriching the workforce. This burgeoning trend is not merely a spark igniting innovation; it also strengthens the ties that unite the two nations, fostering a vibrant exchange of cultural insights and ideas that enriches both societies. This dynamic collaborative partnership holds the promise of creating a myriad of new job opportunities, strengthening trade relations, and fostering a more vibrant and diverse economic landscape. Ultimately, this alliance has the potential to yield substantial benefits for both nations involved, paving the way for shared prosperity and growth. \n\nAdditionally, pursuing a position at Tim Hortons could be a valuable opportunity for you, as it may provide the constructive environment needed to facilitate personal growth and development.
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
As a Filipino watching the economy of USA from afar, I think that no other politician has shown significant concern to help its economy except for Trump. He's pretty bold and not scared to voice out issues that make the democrats uncomfortable. It is not for me to decide who others will vote. However, I see a leader in Trump and he's not afraid to fight back. It's only a matter of time for the Chinese to create its own microchips that are of novelty and prestige. Their economy is of course stagnant as of the moment because many foreign companies pulled out from China. Nevertheless, do you think it's going to be forever? They will cope and soon establish theirs given their population and government financial backing. Trump was right to put trade war against them to regulate foreign trade as it did with Japan. All countries will suffer when the dollar loses the international prestige. It is fastly losing it's international reputation as of these days. If this won't halt, imagine a future where the Chinese RMB will be the basis of international trade. You don't know the real plan of the Silk Road guys. Americans are conquerors and we have adjusted with their ways already. And, the Chinese are conquerors as well. Their goal is to really surpass the USA. The rise of China has benefited every ASEAN member, but greatly the former than the latter. We can adjust with their ways. However, America and Europe may not be that ready to adjust their ways for them should they surpass USA. The USA has become complacent and too liberal where individual rights, although important, have gone too far-fetched. This has created entitled individuals who think they own the world. Now, look at the Chinese. While most young Americans are busy dancing in TikTok and the likes of wasting time for entertainment, most young Chinese are studying hard and upskilling. Let's remember that America became great because of its inventions and extremely the nuclear power. Without great minds, minds that are feebled by drugs and misguided philosophies, a society will crumble. USA can use its weapons and influences against other countries, but can it hold the progress of it's rival economy for the rest of the years? You guys need a leader who is competitive and won't back down from a fight. As of these days, given only two political candidates to choose for presidency, I dare say that Trump has a higher bidding for the goodness of USA. Of course he wasn't able to accomplish his plan before after you guys impeached him. How the hell can a leader complete its plan after being halted unprecedentedly amid his administration? Kamala Harris looks promising but not convincing. Aura, although unquantifiable, do speak something. Choose your leader and it will choose your fate. Let's hear what the two sides will share this upcoming debate. If I'm American, whoever wins that debate, wins my heart. As easy as that. You see, if someone can be defeated so easily in his or her country through debate, do you think that whoever that someone who wins will be able to compete globally? Think of the likes of Putin and Xi Jinping. Think of a leader who can communicate with them effectively. That's all for me. Thank you
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
Its a country built on the death of natives and the backs of enslaved immigrants. Now immigration is an issue ???????. Outside of the natives who were here before the Europeans, we are all immigrants lol.\n\n\nThat being said though, the benefits are wild. And that shouldn't be a thing.
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
All this is by design. It is a system designed to FAIL. When their benefits run out, how do you think they'll react?
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
They cross to Canada as well from NY state, they try either country and stay in the one that will give them more benefits. Also, the MX needs a visa again, the govt realize we can't keep having more coming in at this point we are full! The housing is push to the limits at this point.
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
There are now quite a few news stories in Canada of immigrants leaving the country - some back home and others to the USA and other places. Many just get a Canadian passport and then leave. There are public health care and pensions, so it can be an asset and also a convenient travel document to have. A lot of Canadian university graduates have a very hard time finding work in their fields and a lot of them look to the US for a better future. Both immigration and unemployment in Canada are much higher that in the US - so more people are chasing fewer jobs that often pay less and are taxed more than in the USA. Opportunities are generally a lot fewer in Canada than the US, and the business environment is not as favourable, and taxes significantly higher. You would be getting some of the entrepreneurs from Canada moving to the US for more favourable conditions as well to launch a business and also now a lot more rich investor types, so-called high net worth individuals wanting to relocate, because they just raised the capital gains tax in Canada. Capital gains is also triggered on inheritance in Canada with a deemed sale of property and assets, so rich people would prefer the American system and want to be residents there for tax purposes and have their assets grow in value in the US compared to Canada. There are very large numbers of foreign students and other categories of immigrants which may have as their goal going to the US after getting a temporary visa to Canada which is easy to get - maybe something like half a million to a million people in those categories depending on the year, plus around another half million regular immigrants and refugees now. The Trudeau administration has increased immigration to record numbers. It has been steadily going up over the years for several decades since 1990. Because of family re-unification it can have a snowball effect and could significantly exceed 1 million per year. A lot of the sending countries have much larger populations than Canada, so there are a lot more that can be potentially sent to Canada in the future. About 1/4 of the population of Canada has been added in the past few decades. Add to that visitors and temporary visas - that is a lot of people potentially moving to the US. Before the 1990s Canadians visiting the US were not required to have a passport and a drivers' license or birth certificate was adequate. Now a passport is required. It is impossible to effectively control the long Canada-US border, so there could be some unified policies in that area agreed on between Canada and the USA on immigration and refugees. Canada currently has a very open immigration policy with the government actively seeking out more immigration beyond its current processing capacity and trying to take rejected immigrants from other countries. The Canadian government, especially in recent years under Trudeau is immigration hungry. It might be the only country in the world doing that. What some news reports are now saying is that some immigrants are actually leaving, since they find it so difficult in Canada and some are worse off than they were in the countries they came from, which were considered to be less developed than Canada.
\nWashington currently has more immigration controls and administrative competencies than Ottawa, so US pressure and influence is a faster way to get reforms into the system than waiting for local politicians to do anything, which is unlikely. Canada is seen by some as a backdoor into the US. Biden's immigration policies could be seen as very conservative in Canada compared to Trudeau's. It used to be in the news about how refugees were trying to get to Canada and walking across the border in Quebec and out west from the US earlier, but now there are more news stories of immigrants leaving Canada trying to go the other way, probably due to high costs and unemployment because the government took in more people than it could absorb into the economy. They have the idea that immigration drives GDP growth so that they can borrow and spend more, expand the civil service, etc. without making any cutbacks or efficiencies, supposedly without the Debt to GDP ratio getting worse, just by bringing in more people as if that would drive the economy. A lot depends on who you bring in as well. Are they going to go on welfare, are they going to increase crime, will they somehow contribute to society, are they a net tax benefit or cost in terms of government services, will they invest money, will they start a business and create jobs for others ? Those issues do not factor into government decision making in Canada for the most part. Ontario Premier Doug Ford did say there were too many foreign students. It is bad planning not to consider those factors since there are other costs that grow with those policies as well, and infrastructure has to be expanded. I think that the real immigration numbers to Canada are not transparent or made public, nor are the costs involved, if anyone even knows what they are. Nor is the impact on crime. You can guess from what the reports are in other countries. The Fraser Institute has made some estimates on the net costs of immigration to the government budget a few years ago, which were very high and which by now have increased - the cost equivalent of several new aircraft carriers each year. They are big numbers which are not publicized, but it amounts to the fact that immigration is subsidized by the taxpayers in Canada and it is not paying for our pensions as an ageing society as has been claimed. There is less money for education, health care and pensions per person, and those social benefits will probably have to be reduced over time. Social programs can only be delivered to the extent that the government has money. The bigger social system a county has, the more such immigration policies are going to cost. Trudeau has been expanding various social programs as well, so higher taxes and debt are likely with that approach. Then more productive people and companies will want to leave Canada and go to the US. Probably the government does not know what the actual numbers and costs are and doesn't actively keep track of that information beyond what is required. Probably nobody knows what the true immigration figures and their associated costs are in Canada, and hardly anyone has even studied those issues. If they can just walk across the US border and get papers so easily making an asylum claim, it is not surprising, since it would take them longer to get a regular visa and work permit if they did it legally. You could call that a loophole in the US immigration system which is being exploited. The US is better governed in general and has a better system in many ways, but I am not sure if it is the same on that. People have arrived on boats and have not been sent back. At least in the US you have more open information about those issues. In Canada it is hard to find out anything about it. Deportations from Canada are very few.
\nOn other issues in Canada when voting in federal elections you have to show a government issued photo ID like a drivers' license or passport to vote and bring a card that was mailed out to eligible voters that gets updated addresses when a person files their taxes. I have never heard of mail-in ballots in Canada, but there are remote areas of the country in the far north who may have special system for voting. It is easier to get a Canadian citizenship than US and many more citizenships are handed out in Canada each year in proportion to the population than in the US. Canadian might be one of the easiest citizenships to get in the world. The official line now is that it is a country of immigrants. Based on current trends, will very little opposition to it in the parliament and most MPs supporting it, future immigration to Canada could increase to several million per year because of the rapid growth of population in the world, and the momentum already growing of immigration to Canada, so it may change significantly in the future. Historically around the world you can see many examples that country names, borders, flags and languages change over time with population changes, so it might not be called Canada anymore in 50-100 years. For example, Bulgaria used to be called Thrace which had been a powerful kingdom in antiquity and had a different language which is barely known about anymore. Over the past 2,000 years it has gone through a number of changes and had various regimes governing it, has been independent and also part of several different empires. Canada has only been a country for a short time in comparison and has been been going through significant changes. Trudeau has said that Canada is a post-national country. Canada is also going through a period of critical self-examination and deconstruction-revisionism. A lot of what had been viewed as positive from its history now is seen more critically, with re-naming and removing historical figures now seen as negative.\nDiscussing immigration policy critically is considered by many to be taboo in Canada, unless a person is saying good things about it in general. You can hear people say that the government isn't processing enough people, for example, but not often that there are too many or that it costs a lot of money. The trend of migration from Canada to the US would only increase much more in the future as it is going currently, and its role as a stepping stone to migration to the US could increase. The way this would be seen by many in Canada is that they are losing valuable people to the USA whom they consider assets, since a lot of officials have been trying to bring in more people into the country, but not everyone wants to stay in Canada nowadays because of a lack of jobs and opportunities. Canada is quite laissez-faire about migration, with Toronto being a sanctuary city as well.
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
Our BENEFITS are getting CUT and giving to all the ILLEGALs❤\nThey can't stay unless they marry an American. ❤
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| 2024-08-04 | 3 |
That $13k in food stamp benefits and $5k in cash is insane. No wonder they don’t want to leave.
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
A few years ago a family froze to death and another Indian National lost his foot to frost bite! trying to cross the Canadian/USA border! But they risk it for the all the free benefits that as citizens we can't get but pay for!
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| 2024-08-04 | 0 |
I'm NYC and I can't even rent an apartment at all cause rent is sky high what about buying food can't prices is outrageous.\nI have nothing against migrants my families are from the Caribbean but they didn't come here illegal and NYC is allowing migrants to come without documents and get benefits while us tax payers dollars support welfare and now illegal migrants where is the fairness for us working people ?who don't qualify for nothing giving migrants 9 grand vouchers .My childhood friend got denied section 8 and housing she works never been on welfare nothing and can't get a place to live what do we do ? ?
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